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Author:  tym [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:53 am ]
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Sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings. The release of the new novel witch water is just wrong. I have NO respect for a author/publisher that does this to true fans of Mr. Lee's work. Your simply putting it the readers. I mean really ? To get the New Release, You have to pay 60 bucks, Plus shipping. Even if its 50 plus shipping thats just way to expensive for some fans. We are dealing with a economic crisis in America.

People out of work, gas 4 bucks a gallon. Every day items have gone through the roof. So what about everyone else that wants to read this story? I guess its "well we will get to them when we get time" ? The true fans will buy the expensive copies for the collection value. Get the autograph. No matter what.

Come one! Stop putting to the fans. Its just wrong, and all I can do is shake my head in disbelief at this. I for one am DONE and refuse to spend one more dollar to support this kind of non sense. I refuse to suggest to others to even consider this new novel, and I will also tell them why. Your actions, or lack of, simply tell the story of its all about the quick buck. Make as much as you can, quick as you can. The people that can not afford it, To heck with them. They can wait. Don't care.

Thank GOD for authors Like J A Konrath, and Blake Crouch. Fans, can buy there new stuff at reasonable prices. I became of fan of Crouch because of his reasonable prices and availability of not only his latest novel, but previous work as well. I will Gladly get out the credit card, pay my 3 bucks, Get his latest novel, and have a nice enjoyable reading experience. I always recommend him to other readers. Why spend 60 bucks on one Novel, when I can buy 10 novels of Blake crouch for 30 bucks. Much more bang for the buck. Get it in a format I along with countless others want.

I will tear anyone a new one for stealing Mr. Crouch's works. Come on. Its only 3 bucks. Buy it, Support the guy so he will put out more amazing stories I can get lost in. MANY other fans of reading will say the same thing. I have seen it with my own eyes.

You should be ashamed of yourself for this kind of behavior. Just makes me sick, makes me sad as well. I really enjoyed Mr. Lee's stuff. Great author. Sadly many of his stories I will never get to read. In the end, Guess its a "glass is half full". I have already found many other books that I will simply have to read instead of this new release. Thank you Mr. Crouch, Thank you Mr. Konrath. Thanks for thinking of us poor people who enjoy a good story. I will continue to repay you kindness by buying your stuff. I will Gladly suggest it to others as well. Best of luck to you all. God Bless..........

Author:  BigT [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:31 pm ]
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I have to disagree with you. If you don't wanna pay the high price for a LIMITED edition then don't. You just have to wait about 6 months until the TB from Leisure like the majority of horror readers. It's really not much different when a book comes out in a hardcover edition. They are always more expensive but if you really can't wait or are a huge fan, you will sacrifice or save up to buy the more expensive item. I, myself, am a college student at the moment and am lucky enough to have extra money from my GI Bill and loan refunds, so I will buy the limited editions when possible. I understand where your coming from but to come on here and complain about prices when these underground publishing houses are obviously finding plenty of people willing to pay these prices, is not going to help.
It seems to me since this isn't your first time posting on here about this particular problem that what your really interested in is promoting your other favorite authors. The fact that they sell their work online for so cheap is great if your a fan of theirs but while I love my Kindle, I also love knowing that I have something special, too. I love knowing that while thousands of people might read a particular story, I own something that only a very select amount of people do. And because i'm such a huge fan of Mr. Lee's I am willing to pay for the luxury of owning these limited editions.
I'm not calling you out as any less of a fan than those of us who chose to spend the large sums of money because I understand not everyone can afford these, which is the point of them. There are books that I hate having to wait months for them to become available to me because I don't wanna pay the extra money for, or because i'm not that big of a fan of the author but I still wait patiently for there release. You will just have to do the same with Witch Water when it comes out in february(?) next year.


~Tony Beals

Author:  bigheadsballsack [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:38 pm ]
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No one says you have to buy it!

There is a cash crisis in UK too, I have just had a baby and my wife is earning nothing at the mo. Don't buy it. Wait till Feb when the paper back comes out, amazon has pre order already listed at £8 not sure what that is in $ but there is an option. I really fancy this but cant afford it.

I pre ordered D Romance. as my wife should be back to work then.

Look at ebay or other book seller site hunt for a bargain.

I dont blame the author. We are all reading a great author who releases a lot of Ltd Edt hard core horror. Deadite are helping us out but it isn't Mr Lee's fault.

Keep the good stuff coming :*

Author:  squeakytherat [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:28 pm ]
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Jesus tym. All you ever do is bitch bitch bitch. WW is coming out through Dorchester (called witchhouse because they are rabid and scared of water, and also the word 'water' in the title isn't conducive to hand-related artwork ;) ) Go to amazon and preorder it. I did, because I have children to feed a disabled hubby to care for and can't afford Limited. But guess what? Every book I've ever wanted of Eds is either preordered or sitting on my shelves and I haven't paid more than $20 for any of them (DR, I figure, will be available to me in a couple years).

"Blake Crouch this.... Konrath that.....blah blah blah" Great. If you love those guys so much, go hang out on their forums and bitch about how terrible it is that Ed is trying to make a living in a manner that doesn't instantly gratify YOU.

We Ed-ites are here to support him. You made your digital point several threads ago and it's the same old sad tune that you're playing. Get over it. Stop bitching at him.

Author:  tym [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:26 pm ]
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Agree or Disagree with me, thats fine. Don't care. It is what it is. Think you all are missing the point though. If Mr. Lee and Mr. Publisher dont want the cash, Someone else will. There are countless guys/gals that have pretty much started there own publishing company as it were. They are doing well enough, Some claim they are able to quit there full time job.

They are taking stuff never put out on ebook, Doing it themselves, putting it on rapidshare, people download it. The person that owns rapidshare just made money. The publishers are just like the record companies. Cluesless. They seem to think if they find it, they can stop it. NOPE. EVERYTHING makes its way to IRC. Once there. Its Never coming down. Now new kendal, nook or whatever buyer looking for books simply asks. Mr. Rapidshare for book, Mr rapidshare hits irc, Gets it, Puts it up, Makes money.

I WANT the owners and publishers to make money. I want to see new stuff. I wanna support them. Thats why I gave up on lee. Give my money to someone else, It simply creates more jobs and more work.

I was such a huge fan of Mr. Lee, I wanna see him prosper. I wanna see him make money. I don't Want his publishing company to go under. I don't want people to loose there job. I have done every thing but draw a picture.

Yea they are talking about releasing Lee's old stuff on ebook. IMHO pointless. Its been out there forever. Just like sooner or later this new release is gonna be. So sit around, talk about how you are gonna do this or that someday. To late. Someone already did it for ya, and made your money. God when are people gonna wake up.

To beat pirates, to stop the pirates, you gotta be aware, You gotta beat them to the punch. Put that stuff out before they do, Price it so its not worth the hassle of stealing, authors/publishers win, pirates loose. And that my friends is a good thing. I DESPISE pirates. I DESPISE thiefs. This has been my attempt to help wake people up and stop it. Or authors, books are gonna go the way of music. I miss new music. People are just becoming to lazy, they are not waking up, they are not fixing the problem. That makes me sad.

You all are just creating the issue. I am stepping up and waging my own anti piracy campaign. I have done all I can do. So keep your head in the sand. Refuse to read the writing on the wall, Sit around and do nothing. Pirates win, the rest of us loose. How's that for a swift kick in the pants.

While i have no clue how its done, Bet if you hit that irc channel, look for Edward Lee books, your gonna :o . Its there for good. I just wanna shout. Wake up stupid and smell the coffee.

Do you really think I personally care if his stuff hits ebook format ? NOPE. There are Millions of books out there for me to read. Countless authors I have yet to discover and will. There is only so much time in the day to read. I have bought enough books to last me a lifetime. I can find tons of them for cheep. New ones coming every day. My credit card is simply waiting for that bad boy to hit amazon. This is my last post. If my rant just wakes up one person, saves one job. Well worth the effort and time. The choice is yours. Best of luck, I wish you nothing but the best, I mean that. God bless..........P.S. I almost forgot. Heck maybe Mr. Lee is deep down an artist first. He just wants people to read his stuff, could care less about the money. I respect that. It simply affects more than just himself. Other people could loose there job. That is a bad thing. WAKE UP DUDE !!

Author:  BigT [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:48 pm ]
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I know i'm just wasting my time but seriously, you aren't helping anything. While your point about digital piracy is valid, the majority of people willing to "steal" or "pirate" this material are not going to buy these no matter what the cost. I'll admit I illegally download a few songs once in awhile. There the ones I can't find on itunes but if I could find them on there later on, I would buy them because then I "own" it and can transfer it from computer to computer. There are always going to be people who want something for nothing. I believe Ed is an artist at heart but he has to eat and pay the bills as well. Its my opinion that from your point of view movies should come out on dvd the same time their in theaters since so many people can't afford to pay for ticket prices and concessions. That is the closest equivalent to your posts I can come up with. If someone doesn't wanna wait an extra 5 months to see the movie, in my opinion too fucking bad. That's the end of my 2 cents worth.

~Tony Beals

Author:  Craig Cook [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:05 pm ]
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Author:  squeakytherat [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:31 pm ]
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Author:  crackjaw [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:02 am ]
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"All good things come to those that wait" My mom used to drive that damn saying in my head throughout most of my childhood. Trust me I'm with you I want these as much as the next guy and gal, some I just can't afford, here's looking at you Dunwich Romance!! :| But I'm sure sometime down the road, we'll all be getting the dose of Lee we need. Can't go blaming Lee, as he has stated a few times that I have read here, he just writes, and thank god he does. And the publishers, well they have their reasons. Since I usually buy TPB, I know it is always a bit of a wait for them after the hardcover comes out. Sure sometimes it sucks that those darn buggers with money to play with get the goods first, but don't worry all us poor bastards will get it too. Don't give up on Lee!! And when you can help out the small publishing houses and buy something, when and if you can afford it of course, you'll be happy when you get it. Sweet quality paper, binding, a signature you can scratch and sniff, the envy of all your friends. And I swear if another "friend" steals one of my books.... :*

Author:  splatterhead4ever [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:12 pm ]
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Someone ban this bitch. I read tons of books on my kindle but I still buy the collectors editions whenever I can afford them. It's like buying a rare painting. I love owning a book like the original Bighead, knowing that I have one of only 100 in the whole world. This is an Ed Lee fan site, not a trash on Ed Lee site. Fuck you Tym.

Author:  JPOKELA [ Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:59 am ]
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Having a copy of BIGHEAD is cool! I remember just fucking trembling when I got it in my hand. I watched the last hour of the eBay bidding in some library cuz I was waaay out of town when the auction ended. Wow. Never been so tense watching an auctiion end. I love that book.
Tym is entertaining. A somewhat deluded voice from.........somewhere..............where spellcheck hasn't been invented yet. He loves to read. Got to give him credit. He loves to read. His writing style is a trifle crude, but that's part of his street cred.
I don't think Ed is getting all the play he deserves out of his writing. He will continue to grow in popularity, no doubt. But no Japanese editions? Few other language reprints? Ed needs a publicist or something.
The resurgence of Necro Publications tells me those E editions are making some money. Great! Ed and Dave Barnett deserve some money.
And Tym? A bit annoying. But fun. And he is a real fan of reading. My kind of guy.

Author:  Liquidnoose [ Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:40 pm ]
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Just got an email yesterday from Larry saying WW is on its way to me!

Author:  JPOKELA [ Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:28 pm ]
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WITCHWATER incoming!!!!

Author:  pesticupake [ Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:36 pm ]
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Author:  KK Jones [ Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:13 pm ]
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Welcome Pesti! Always a pleasure meeting an Edward Lee fan!

Konnie

Author:  JPOKELA [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:20 am ]
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Welcome Pesti! This is a great place. Always good to see another sideways thinker!

Author:  Jack Staynes [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:04 pm ]
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FFS who let this guy in? Tym man, limiteds are for folks like me and others like me who like Lee's work so much that we want to spend the big bucks for the cool edition.

In my opinion this is how it should be. Limited or hardcover first, then paperback and then ebook.

So far as I know Leisure was supposed to be putting this one out in an affordable paperback but who knows what the hell those guys are up to but that ain't Ed's fault so chill on dissing Lee and the limited buyers. You really think Lee wouldn't want to sell this to the masses in a paperback? I also seen you talking shit other places on the internet about how Lee is getting frustrating with his limited editions. I can understand someone wanting to read more of Lee's stuff and not being able to wait for it but you just sound like a whiny little bitch. Would you rather Lee didn't print nothing at all just so you don't feel like you're missing out. Ya dumb fuck.

I just waded through all that shit you wrote and you sound like one confused fucker for sure. Talking shit about Lee not having respect for his readers, well here's some news for you fella, I doubt anyone here has any repect for your sorry ass either.

Author:  JPOKELA [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:35 am ]
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You tell em! Jizzlin Jack, you are the best!!

Author:  peteboiler [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:00 pm ]
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I don't want to get too deep into this discussion but after talking to Lee several times, he is all about loving his fans and I have no doubt in my mind that he would have every edition of his books out there at the same time if he could. It's just how the publishing world works. Bob

Author:  Jack Staynes [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:53 pm ]
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One last thing it could be good to mention that Tym in all his infinite wisdom might have let slip his mind is... CONTRACTS. From what I'm awere WITCH WATER or whatever Dorchester want to call it should be the last novel Lee was contracted to do for them. So if they dropped the ball and got into financial difficulty and fell behind on their book releases, then that's pretty much got nothing at all to do with Ed anyhow.

But I'm sure Tym already knew that cause he's seems to ave gotten all his facts right before stomping in here with his big ideas.

On a side note, I'm hoping to get my shipping notice for my stack of the awesome, lovely looking Bloodletting Press copies. hoorah!

Author:  Edward Lee [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:37 pm ]
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I don't like the idea of folks having to pay a lot for first releases either; if I had my way, there's be cheap trade pb and Kindle release simultaneously. But I'm just a writer, not a business man. The more expensive hardcovers coming out first is simply the way the industry work. I'm sorry you're so displeased, tym, but I appreciate your support in the past nonetheless. There's just a way that things are done, and that's it. The publishers control that, which is their right cos they're drop lots of money upfront on production costs.

Paul, and others: that's great news about WW coming out soon. It's a pretty cool book, I think!

Pesticupake: if that's not the coolest screenname I don't know what is. I have much gross stuff in store for you; thanks for your support and positive words very much, and welcome to the board!

Later, all. Best,
Edward Lee

Author:  gsconquest [ Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:31 pm ]
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Mr. Lee,

I am pretty new here and don't want to get into any ridiculous arguements, but I would like to say that you have no reason to apologize to tym or anyone else complaining about the price of your books. These books allow you to pay your bills and put food on the table. Limited editions are a staple of the horror genre and help keep publishers going. Instead of complaining, people should be glad that authors are not abandoning the genre or writing more "mainstream" horror to line their pockets. For tym or anyone else to come here and bad mouth someone who has done so much for the horror genre is unacceptable. In closing I would like to apologize to you, Mr. Lee, for having to take time from your day to respond to this type of stupidity. Keep writing and we'll keep reading.

Author:  Serra [ Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:10 pm ]
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House Infernal ---- that paperback came out well before the CD hardcover did. I don't remember hearing any collectors whining about that.
I have a 3D TV - I have to wait for 3D releases to come out well before the original movies are released on Blue-Ray. I don't do a whole lot of whining about that. Everything comes out in stages. It is just the way the world works. You can't have everything you want the second you want it. Grow up.

Author:  bloodlettingpress [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:18 am ]
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Hello Tym,

I'm sorry that you feel the way you do about small press limited edition books. If you are simply a reader then you'll likely not understanding their cost or purpose in the genre.

The cost to produce a limited edition hardcover is very expensive. However I believe that Lee's work is worthy of producing in a more permanent format than just a trade paperback. I want to produce a hardcover of Lee's work that will last many generations.

Keep in mind that there are only 300 copies of this edition produced. I had to pay for an artist to paint a cover for the book, paint the custom color endpapers, illustrated signature sheet and foil stamp, copy edit, layout and design, print and bind and have the book shipped to me. I also want to ensure that Lee gets paid a decent percentage for each hardcover book sold.

I wish that I could sell hardcover limited editions for a lot less but due to the unique nature of each one produced they are unfortunately pricey.

Most of all I want each person that purchases one of my titles to be happy with the purchase. I work really hard to ensure that is the case.

Tym, I know that you are a Lee fan and want to read this book. I would like to send you a free copy of Witch Water limited edition so you can see the care and respect that I have for Lee's work. I also want you to notice that I create these books to last generations because I believe in the work. Please PM here and I'll get your copy heading your way. :)

Author:  kresby [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:31 am ]
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Author:  squeakytherat [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:53 am ]
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Bloodletting: Did you miss the part up there where tym said that he gave up on Mr Lee? Why, his credit card has procured him a plethora of books by others that will last him a lifetime. Why reward his negativity and idiocy by giving him a beautiful book? Give it to someone who actually supports the guy....like KKJones or jpokela or bigheadsballsack or crackjaw (or anyone but tym) :?

Author:  crackjaw [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:40 pm ]
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Thanks squeakytherat!! for adding my name in there! Honestly I almost feel like starting a similar thread. :lol But I know that paperback is just around the corner.

I usually don't like being a rat bastard, but from reading tym's threads and a few hints others had dropped about said tym, well, I found him on a file sharing site. OK, honestly I don't really know if its the same guy, but writing styles are to darn close and he bitches about Lee there too, plus the username IMHO is pretty unique. The one thing I found really interesting though as he has personally shared e-books of Blake Crouch on there....ummmm....didn't you say, you would tear anyone a new one for doing that?? :/

And Larry even your paperbacks are damn good, my stupid dog nibbled the corner and broke his teeth. Quality!!

Author:  squeakytherat [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:57 pm ]
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Did someone say rat bastard??? That's me isn't it? :D

That's very interesting information you have there, crackjaw. Great detective work by a genuine Ed-ite; someone indeed deserving of a beautifully bound edition of WW (I had a copy of the limited edition of Haunter in my possession for a while. But I kept trying to shove it in my vagina, so I had to trade it). Maybe you and I should go on an authorboard tirade of others published by Bloodletting, maybe we'll get free stuff too (oh, and lets not forget to do a bit of filesharing while we're at it).

I take back what I said about giving WW to jpokela....fucker already has one ;) I'll add Ellie Maren to that list instead

:*

Author:  crackjaw [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:53 pm ]
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